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Deuxième coup de gueule en deux semaines. Revenons un peu en arrière pour que vous puissiez comprendre ce Blog. Vous pouvez aller ici pour savoir de quoi il s’agit, mais pour les flemmards, je vais récapituler un peu les choses. Fisheye le Mag et Pentax/Ricoh ont lancé il y a 15 jours un concours Instagram visant à récompenser la meilleure photo de rue taggée bien sûr avec les #concoursricohgr #ricoh #ricohgr . Pentax allait même jusqu’à dire qu’éventuellement il y avait la possibilité de devenir Ambassadeur de leur marque… Rien que ça.
J’avais fustigé dans mon Blog, l’attitude de Pentax et j’avais refusé de participer à un tel cirque. J’avais même reçu un commentaire du Community Manager de Pentax.fr qui avait voulu éclaircir certains points.
- Le fait de pouvoir devenir Ambassadeur après un “pauvre” concours Instagram.
- Le fait que les Ambassadeurs Ricoh désignés pour départager les photos du concours n’avaient qu’un mandat de 15 jours (!!!)
- Le signal qu’ils envoyaient aux utilisateurs d’un Ricoh GR quand ils voyaient que n’importe qui (Canon, Nikon, Leica, Fuji, Olympus …) pouvait participer à ce concours en taggant juste sa photo avec les hashatgs ricoh, ricohgr et concoursricohgr.
Je vous joint la réponse pour que vous puissiez vous faire une idée de leur philosophie et de leur démarche. Personnellement ça ne m’a pas convaincu …
Bonjour,
Je suis Arnaud, Community Manager pour la marque Ricoh / Pentax. En premier lieu, nous tenions à vous remercier de nous avoir fait part de votre sentiment sur notre jeu concours lancé en partenariat avec le magazine Fisheye.
Si notre démarche vous semble maladroite et inappropriée, nous en sommes désolés. Il y a une incompréhension des termes du concours et sur notre rapport aux ambassadeurs de la marque.Notre objectif, en préparant ce concours, était double : remettre sur le devant de la scène le Ricoh GR et détecter de nouveaux talents qui pourraient devenir des ambassadeurs de notre marque.
Le concours vise donc à identifier et soutenir de nouveaux talents dans la perspective de l’arrivée du Ricoh GR III. Nous souhaitons faire découvrir l’univers Ricoh GR au plus grand nombre de photographes. L’idée n’est pas nécessairement de recruter un utilisateur de la marque Ricoh GR — si c’est le cas, c’est aussi très bien — mais surtout de récompenser un talent de la street photo et de lui proposer de découvrir l’univers GR dans la perspective qu’il soit séduit par les nombreux atouts de ce compact expert.En réalité, les trois photographes qui portent le concours sont des nouveaux ambassadeurs avec qui nous aurons le plaisir de collaborer sur le long terme, au-delà de la date butoir du 23 octobre. Nous les avons identifiés pour leur talent dans la street photo et parce qu’ils utilisent des appareils Ricoh GR.
Dans l’espoir que cette réponse apporte l’éclaircissement nécessaire, je vous souhaite une belle journée et je vous dis à bientôt sur les réseaux sociaux de Ricoh Pentax !
Cdt,
Arnaud
Ce matin, un ami me fait passer le lien du résultat du concours initié par Fisheye et Pentax/Ricoh. J’avais hâte de voir le résultat car même si je ne cautionne pas la démarche, je voulais voir le résultat. J’étais allé sur la page Instagram dédiée au concours et j’avais vu quelques belles photos (ici) . Autant vous dire que c’est la douche froide ! J’ai même cru que c’était une blague de mon pote et qu’il m’avait refourgué un faux lien. Mais non ! C’est bien le site de Fisheye le Mag et c’est bien le résultat du concours ! Je vous laisse aller consulter leur site pour voir les photos qui ont retenu leur attention.
Je sais que je vais encore passer pour le hater de base, le gars qui râle tout le temps, qui critique tout, mais franchement Fisheye et Pentax vous n’avez pas honte de votre palmarès ? C’est ça votre vision de la Street Photography ? Du pauvre Light/Shadow insipide sans âme. Du Fishing de base, une photo type billboard amusante mais mille fois trop vue … Si vous n’avez pas honte de ça, eh bien moi j’ai honte pour vous. Je suis surtout en colère car le message que vous envoyez au plus grand nombre c’est que la Street Photography c’est ça. Et là “j’ai mal à mon Ricoh” comme me l’a soufflé un ami.
J’aimerai avoir le retour des fameux “Ambasseur en CDD de deux semaines” pour avoir leur avis sur cette sélection. Ont ils vraiment choisi ces photos parmi les plus de 2800 photos postées pour le concours ? Si c’est le cas, ils ne méritent pas mieux qu’un CDD de deux semaines. Pour deux raisons … La première est que si ils ont réellement choisi ces photos, c’est qu’ils ne méritent pas plus qu’un CDD de deux semaines tant le palmarès est risible. La deuxième raison est que si ils ont subi cette sélection, ils devraient être content de ne plus avoir cette étiquette collée à leur nom tant elle représente un fardeau.
J’ai volontairement collé dans ce Blog une sélection de photos qui pourrait plaire à Pentax et Fisheye. On se dit WOW c’est beau, mais au final c’est vide, mais apparemment ça plaît aux gens. Si la Street Photography se résumait à ça, je l’aurai arrêté depuis longtemps. Je continue de temps en temps à tomber dans la facilité et à faire ce genre de photos, mais je n’aime pas ça. Ces photos ont un petit côté Waouh, mais elles sont terriblement ennuyeuses. Ok il en faut pour tout le monde et je n’ai aucune prétention d’imposer ce qui me plaît aux autres. Mais quand le résultat d’un concours se résume à ce type de photo, ça me fait mal au cul …
Toutes les photos ont été réalisées avec le Ricoh GRD IV.
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Shame on you Fisheye & Pentax/Ricoh.
Second rant in two weeks. Let’s go back a bit so that you can understand this blog. You can go here to find out what it is, but for the lazy ones, I’ll recap a little bit. Fisheye and Pentax / Ricoh launched 15 days ago an Instagram contest to reward the best street photo tagged of course with #concoursricohgr #ricoh #ricohgr. Pentax went so far as to say that eventually there was the possibility of becoming an ambassador for their brand … just that.
I had lambasted in my Blog, the attitude of Pentax and I refused to participate in such a circus. I even received a comment from the Community Manager of Pentax.fr who wanted to clarify some points.
- Being able to become an ambassador after a “lame” Instagram contest.
- The fact that the Ricoh Ambassadors designated to curate the contest had a mandate of only 15 days (!!!)
- The signal they sent to users of a Ricoh GR when they saw that anyone (Canon, Nikon, Leica, Fuji, Olympus …) could participate in this contest by just tagging their photo with hashatgs ricoh, ricohgr and concoursricohgr.
I enclose the answer so that you can get an idea of their philosophy and their approach. Personally that did not convince me …
Hello,
I am Arnaud, Community Manager for the brand Ricoh / Pentax. First, we wanted to thank you for sharing your feelings about our contest launched in partnership with the magazine Fisheye.
If our approach seems clumsy and inappropriate, we are sorry. There is a misunderstanding of the terms of the contest and our report to the brand’s ambassadors.Our goal in preparing this competition was twofold: to put the Ricoh GR back on the scene and to spot new talent that could become ambassadors of our brand.
The competition aims to identify and support new talent in view of the arrival of the Ricoh GR III. We want to introduce the Ricoh GR universe to the largest number of photographers. The idea is not necessarily to recruit a user Ricoh GR brand – if that’s the case, it’s also very good – but above all to reward a talent for street photography and offer him to discover the GR universe in the perspective that it is seduced by the many assets of this compact expert.In fact, the three photographers who are taking part in the competition are new ambassadors with whom we will have the pleasure of collaborating in the long term, beyond the deadline of October 23rd. We identified them for their street photo talent and because they use Ricoh GR cameras.
In the hope that this answer brings the necessary clarification, I wish you a nice day and I’ll see you soon on the social networks of Ricoh Pentax!
Pk,
Arnaud
This morning, a friend passed me the link of the contest result initiated by Fisheye and Pentax / Ricoh. I was eager to see the result because even if I do not endorse the process, I wanted to see the result. I already went on the Instagram page dedicated to the contest and I saw some beautiful pictures. As much to tell you that it is the cold shower ! I even thought it was a joke of my friend and that he had reburged a false link. But no ! This is the site of Fisheye Mag and it is the result of the competition ! I let you go to their site to see the pictures that caught their attention.
I know I’m still going to go for the basic hater, the guy who keeps on ranting all the time, criticizing everything, but frankly Fisheye and Pentax are you not ashamed of the selection you’re presented ? Is that your vision of Street Photography ? Lame Light / Shadow without soul. Basic Fishing, a funny billboard photo but a thousand times already seen … If you’re not ashamed of that, well I’m ashamed for you. I am especially angry because the message you send to the greatest number is that Street Photography is that. And It’s a pain in my Ricoh !, a friend has told me.
I would like to have the feedback of the so-called “Ambassador in fixed term of two weeks” to have their opinion on this selection. Did they really choose these photos from over 2800 photos posted for the contest ? If so, they deserve no better than a two-week short term contract. For two reasons … The first is that if they really chose these photos is that they do not deserve more than a two-week contract because the selection is poor and laughable. The second reason is that if they have undergone this selection, they should be happy to no longer have this label stuck to their name as it represents a burden.
I have voluntarily stuck in this Blog a selection of photos that could please Pentax and Fisheye. We think WOW it’s beautiful, but in the end it’s empty, but apparently it’s good for people. If Street Photography were all that, I would have stopped it for a long time. I continue from time to time to fall into the ease and to do this kind of photos, but I do not like that. These photos have a Wow effect, but they are terribly boring. Ok, we need it for everyone and I have no claim to impose what I like about others. But when the result of a contest comes down to this type of photo, it hurts my ass …
All the pictures were made with the Ricoh GRD IV.
As they say in the Ferrero Rocher adverts…. “with this you spoil us Ambassador” 😉 These Shots are all okay as far as I’m concerned, I know the “Street Police” will be on to me! The ones selected for the competition are also okay, however I think both you and your friends could do a whole lot better had you entered the competition that is. Of course none would have been picked, the trouble is that this and what they want is “glory shot” photography and not designed to be memorable. Instead it’s presented for social media and instant gratification, forgotten within seconds.
Cheers. John
There is no such things as Street Policy. But we can expect from a contest to be more selective about what they chose for the prize list.Especially when the curators are the brand itself and even a respectable magazine. One could argue that it’s all about curator’s taste. It’s always … But when 4 out 5 photos chosen are only “basic” light/shadow photographs, well time to name things by their names. The results are really lame. I have nothing against LS, but there is nothing going on here. No gestures, no stories … You do this kind of pictures when you’re a newbie. But you quickly understand that these pictures are pleasing to the eye but completely empty.
What is the message behind all of this ? That these photographs represent Street Photography ? Competence Photo, a french magazine ran a Free Call for Entry to be exhibited in Paris in 2 weeks. Check the results on their website and you’ll see a total different set of Photography. It was set by The magazine, Fuji and Art Photo Lab. Well Fisheye, Pentax/Ricoh should be ashamed of what they presented… The worst is that in the selection of more than 2800 pictures for the contest, they were really good ones but they ony submitted a selection of 20 photos to the final curators. And guess what ? Only at most average LS photos …
Good Morning Jeff. Well if there were “Street Police” I’d be arrested for crimes against Street Photography. I put a photo on Instagram yesterday of a guy walking past a traffic cone, a wall and a window all in Colour. Absolutely no narrative whatsoever, no gestures, no dramatic shadow or light either. I liked the aesthetic and feel, the simplicity, I like the photograph. I don’t particularly expect anyone else to “like” it and I wouldn’t enter it into a competition. I don’t think competitions are a good thing we’ve discussed this before. However, If I were a “judge” in a competition I might pick it. Even though I know what a good “Street” photo should be, I still might because it appeals to me in some way. Everyone would be saying “what’s this crap?!” That pretty much sums up competitions, subjectivity. If someone is going to be judge then they need to see all the evidence to pronounce a verdict. If I was asked to be a judge I’d insist on viewing every single entry otherwise I’d refuse to be involved. If the judges in that competition relied on others to narrow down the selection without seeing all entries for themselves then I’d say – Shame on those judges/curators! I looked at “Fisheye” and there’s some fantastic photography displayed (unfortunately not in the Pentax competition ). I also looked through “Competence Photo”, again top class photography and a few names in there I know.
Cheers for now. John.
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